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PorukaPostavljena: Sub Jul 22, 2006 6:55 pm    Naslov poruke: Izrael se sprema za kopnene napade, mobilizacija rezervista Na vrh strane Na dno strane

Izraelske snage na granici sa Libanom gomilaju vojnike i tenkove koji će, po svemu sudeći, učestvovati u pojačanim napadima izraelskih kopnenih snaga na položaje militantnog pokreta Hezbolah u južnom Libanu. Proklamovani cilj Izraela je da uništi ili makar dramatično oslabi vojne potrencijale Hezbolaha i izraelska vojska dosad je nastojala da to ostvari, pre svega napadima iz vazduha ili sa mora. Hezbolah je uprkos tome i dalje u stanju da ispaljuje projektile na izraelske gradove. Izraelci sada izgleda shvataju da Hezbolahu ne mogu ozbiljne gubitke da nanesu iz vazduha i čini se da se spremaju za veliku kopnenu operaciju. Osim što gomila snage na granici, izraelska vojska je u petak nad južnim Libanom izbacila letke kojima civile upozorava da napuste to područje, dok je više hiljada rezervista pozvano da se javi izraelskoj vojsci.

Izraelska vojska namerava da uputi manje vojne jedinice na jug Libana, ali ne planira da počne masovni vojni napad, izjavio je izvor iz izraelske vojske britanskoj agenciji Rojters. „Ne treba očekivati punu invaziju na Liban”, rekao je taj izvor, dodajući da je izraelska vojska već na teritoriji Libana i da će trupe nastaviti svoje aktivnosti, jer je to jedini način da se unište bunkeri Hezbolaha.

U POSLEDNJIH 24 ČASA IZRAEL GAĐAO 150 LOKACIJA U LIBANU

Izraelsko vazduhoplovstvo gađalo je 150 lokacija u Libanu u poslednjih 24 časa u okviru ofanzive protiv muslimanske radikalne grupe Hezbolah, saopšteno je u Jerusalimu. Avijacija je najviše gađala skladišta oružja, puteve koji povezuju Liban i Siriju, kao i lokacije odakle Hezbolah bombarduje severni deo Izraela, prenele su svetske agencije.

RAJS ODBILA DA POZOVE NA MOMENTALNI PREKID VATRE

Američki državni sekretar Kondoliza Rajs označila je otmicu dva izraelska vojnika u prekograničnom napadu Hezbolaha, koji je izazvao taj sukob, „nečuvenom provokacijom”, apelujući na njihovo hitno oslobađanje.

Ona je branila pravo Izraela na samoodbranu, ali je pozvala Izraelce da izbegavaju civilne žrtve. Američki državni sekretar je odbacila rastući pritisak za momentalni prekid vatre između Izraela i gerilaca Hezbolaha, označivši ga „lažnim obećanjem” ako se ne ustanove koreni sukoba.

„Mi težimo okončanju trenutnog nasilja. Nama je stalo da do toga hitno dođe. Ali više od toga težimo da se ustanovi šta je uzrokovalo to nasilje, kako bi se uspostavio stvaran i trajan mir”, rekla je šef američke diplomatije novinarima u Stejt departmentu.

„Prekid vatre bi bio lažno obećanje, ako nas jednostavno vrati u status kvo i teroristima bude omogućeno da nastave da napadaju pod uslovima i u vreme koje sami izaberu i prete nevinim ljudima, Izraelcima i Arapima širom regiona. To bi bila garancija budućeg nasilja”, istakla je ona. Rajsova je rekla da „momentalan prekid vatre bez političkih uslova nema smisla”, da „Sirija zna šta treba da uradi” i da je „Hezbolah izvor problema”.

KONFERENCIJA O LIBANU 26. JULA U RIMU

Međunarodna konferencija o Libanu održaće se 26. jula u Rimu, potvrđeno je u italijanskoj vladi. U radu konferencije na ministarskom nivou, posvećenoj krizi u Libanu, učestvovaće i američki državni sekretar Kondoliza Rajs. Ministar spoljnih poslova Italije Masimo D´Alema je rekao da je postignut dogovor sa američkim Stejt departmentom da se održi međunarodna konferencija posvećena Libanu, u cilju postizanja prekida vatre, pronalaženja načina za nastavak slanja humanitarne pomoći, kao i da bi se razmotrile mogućnosti stabilizacije regiona, uključujući raspoređivanje međunarodnih snaga.

„Sastanak će se održati na ministarskom nivou zemalja ´Kontakt grupe´. Predstavnici Saudijske Arabije i Izraela bi, takođe, trebalo da dođu”, rečeno je u italijanskoj vladi. Učesnici konferencije su, pored SAD i Italije, Liban, Francuska, Rusija, Velika Britanija, Nemačka, Španija, Egipat, Saudijska Arabija, Jordan, kao i predstavnici Evropske unije, Svetske banke i Ujedinjenih nacija. (Bi-Bi-Si, RTS)



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PorukaPostavljena: Ned Jul 23, 2006 11:01 am    Naslov poruke: Na vrh strane Na dno strane

Da li su to Amerika i Izrael odlucili da potpuno razvale Bliski istok? Da li je ovo samo pocetak, kako ce se razvijati, i kada je dogovoreno?

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PorukaPostavljena: Uto Jul 25, 2006 9:24 pm    Naslov poruke: Na vrh strane Na dno strane

Pedjanbg je napisao/la sledeće:
Da li su to Amerika i Izrael odlucili da potpuno razvale Bliski istok? Da li je ovo samo pocetak, kako ce se razvijati, i kada je dogovoreno?

Mnogo pitas, ja koja zivim ovde i Izraelu, ne znam odgovore na tvoja pitanja. Smile U pocetku sam jos i pratila situaciju, sad vec 4-5 dana nisam ni palila TV, imam vaznijih problema. Kako god, ovo ce trajati do sredine/kraja avgusta... Rolling Eyes

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PorukaPostavljena: Uto Jul 25, 2006 11:05 pm    Naslov poruke: Na vrh strane Na dno strane

sanjica_021 je napisao/la sledeće:
Pedjanbg je napisao/la sledeće:
Da li su to Amerika i Izrael odlucili da potpuno razvale Bliski istok? Da li je ovo samo pocetak, kako ce se razvijati, i kada je dogovoreno?

Mnogo pitas, ja koja zivim ovde i Izraelu, ne znam odgovore na tvoja pitanja. Smile U pocetku sam jos i pratila situaciju, sad vec 4-5 dana nisam ni palila TV, imam vaznijih problema. Kako god, ovo ce trajati do sredine/kraja avgusta... Rolling Eyes

Ja se slazem da se terorizmu mora stati na kraj, ali ovo je klasican Blitzkrieg, i mozda ne bude trajalo ni toliko, a bice 20 godina nazad za Liban. Zakon jacega opet na delu.
Neverovatno je koliko ljudi kod nas staju na stranu Hezbolaha, dakle na stranu verskog fanatizma, a jos je neverovatnije koliko se ovde mrze Jevreji.
Zaista ne znam da li postoji neki opravdani razlog za to, jer sam, kada je istorija u pitanju poprilicna neznalica. Stoga pitam: Sta je uzrok mrznje prema Jevrejima koja se provlaci kroz celu istoriju?
Zbog cega je, recimo, Treci Rajh zeleo istrebljenje Jevreja? Sta se krije iza toga?

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PorukaPostavljena: Sre Jul 26, 2006 6:31 am    Naslov poruke: Na vrh strane Na dno strane

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Zaista ne znam da li postoji neki opravdani razlog za to, jer sam, kada je istorija u pitanju poprilicna neznalica. Stoga pitam: Sta je uzrok mrznje prema Jevrejima koja se provlaci kroz celu istoriju?
Zbog cega je, recimo, Treci Rajh zeleo istrebljenje Jevreja? Sta se krije iza toga?


Odgovor na prvo pitanje: Arapi i Jevreji su se oduvek mrzeli. Pukao im je film kad je stvorena drzava Izrael krajem 40-ih godina pa je tada poceo "Sestodnevni rat" kada su Egipat, Jordan i jos neke drzave napale avijacijom tek stvoreni Izrael. Jeste da su tada propisno dobili po tamburi, ali im je on i danas trn u oku. Najvise sto su Jevreji od pustinje napravili plodno tlo. A Hamas je uvek cackao mecku i sada ju je iscackao.

Odgovor na drugo pitanje: Jednostavno, nacistima je trebao neki dezurni krivac za lose stanje u drzavi posle I sv. rata. Eto!

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PorukaPostavljena: Sre Jul 26, 2006 6:26 pm    Naslov poruke: Na vrh strane Na dno strane

coco_bill je napisao/la sledeće:
Citat:
Zaista ne znam da li postoji neki opravdani razlog za to, jer sam, kada je istorija u pitanju poprilicna neznalica. Stoga pitam: Sta je uzrok mrznje prema Jevrejima koja se provlaci kroz celu istoriju?
Zbog cega je, recimo, Treci Rajh zeleo istrebljenje Jevreja? Sta se krije iza toga?


Odgovor na prvo pitanje: Arapi i Jevreji su se oduvek mrzeli. Pukao im je film kad je stvorena drzava Izrael krajem 40-ih godina pa je tada poceo "Sestodnevni rat" kada su Egipat, Jordan i jos neke drzave napale avijacijom tek stvoreni Izrael. Jeste da su tada propisno dobili po tamburi, ali im je on i danas trn u oku. Najvise sto su Jevreji od pustinje napravili plodno tlo. A Hamas je uvek cackao mecku i sada ju je iscackao.

Odgovor na drugo pitanje: Jednostavno, nacistima je trebao neki dezurni krivac za lose stanje u drzavi posle I sv. rata. Eto!

Hm, bojim se da stvari idu mnogo dublje od toga, i mnogo dalje u proslost. Kao da su stvari otisle toliko daleko od pravog izvora svega, da neki ljudi vise i ne znaju zbog cega mrze Jevreje, a ta mrznja je toliko bila jaka, da ne jenjava.
Kao sto pise u tekstu koji sledi, to je najstarija od svih mrznji.
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There are at least seven characteristics that make Judeophobia (anti-Semitism) very different from racism, xenophobia, or any other hatred against groups.

1) It is the oldest hatred. Professor Robert Wistrich of the Hebrew University was right in calling his last book on the subject “The Longest Hatred.” There is no other hatred in the history of mankind that you can trace back to the last two or three millennia. We will deal with precisely when Judeophobia started, in the second part of this class. But we shall see that it is at least two thousand years old.

2) Judeophobia is strikingly universal. It has existed in almost every country on earth, regardless of whether it had Jewish inhabitants or how many they numbered. Jews were expelled from almost every European and African country in which they lived, and in most countries of the world in which there was a Jewish community, Jews were at some point harassed or attacked for being Jews. The only exception usually mentioned is China, while even in today’s Japan Judeophobia is rampant, despite its tiny Jewish community.

3) Judeophobia is permanent. Jews were despised and hated , years, decades, and even centuries after they left the country in which they lived. Take England for example. The Jews were expelled from there in 1290 by king Edward II , and after no less than three Jewless centuries had passed, Shakespeare created his stereotypical Shylock, the Jew in “The Merchant of Venice,” a character that was mocked and despised by theatre-going mobs who had never met a real Jew in their lives -nor had their grandparents or ancestors during three hundred years.

Take another example. In 1968 the Polish government launched a campaign against “Polish Zionists” on radio and TV. Twenty years after three million Polish Jews had been murdered by the Nazis, Poles could still feel hatred for a tiny group of old people who constituted no more than 0.1 % of their population.

In seventeenth century Spain, one of the most celebrated Spanish writers of all ages , Francisco de Quevedo attacked his literary rival with allusions to his “Jewish” nose and threatened to anoint his own poems with bacon in order to deter Jews from stealing them... although Jews had been expelled from his country more than one century before.

4) Judeophobia is deeper. As a result of the above points, negative mental stereotypes of the Jew are profoundly embedded. If you consider how, over many centuries, millions of people believed either that the Jews transmitted leprosy, or poisoned wells to kill Christians, or used human blood for their rituals, or killed God, or have a world conspiracy, or constitute a promiscuous race, or are demoniac creatures, or, or, or. No wonder Judeophobes do not have to invest much effort to rationalize, since each has his own mental associations detrimental to Jews. Remember the story told about Goebbels’s ministry of propaganda in Nazi Germany. A sign showed a man riding his bike above the following inscription: “The misery of Germany is due to Jews and cyclists.” The readers wondered... why cyclists? And the depth and breadth of Judeophobia was made apparent.

5) Judeophobia is obsessive. For the Judeophobe, Jews are not an enemy. They are the enemy. He does not speak of Jews; he speaks of the Jews. When Adolf Hitler gave his farewell speech to the German nation from his Berlin bunker where he committed suicide on April 30, 1945, what type of message did he convey? He did not remind his listeners of the glories of Germany, nor did he mention any regrets regarding the bloodiest of wars that he brought upon Europe -he stressed that the Jews had not been totally defeated and therefore implored that the Germans continue the struggle against their “eternal enemy.’’ Although Hitler is Judeophobia in its most extreme expression, Judeophobes share that obsession about the allegedly all-inclusive villainy of the Jews.

6) Judeophobia is more dangerous. With appalling ease this particular hatred transforms into physical violence. In most countries in which they lived, at some point in history, Jews were killed for being Jews. That is why any Judeophobic expression is potentially more dangerous than hostility towards other groups. It quickly slides into abuse and murder. Take the example of humor as an aggressive outlet against minorities. In almost every country there are jokes about another group which is depicted as dumb. In England these are Irish jokes, in America Polish jokes, in Sweden Norwegian jokes, in Brazil Portuguese jokes, and so on. Jewish jokes can be as inoffensive as the others, and no one should be particularly concerned about them. But on the other hand, had it been possible to suppress Jewish jokes in Europe during a century or two before the Holocaust, the virulence of Judeophobia may have been diminished and the Nazis may have found less support for their genocide. After all, Judeophobia is transmitted in gestures, jokes and generalizations rather than in lectures. Jokes and gestures can be fatal.

7) Judeophobia is chimerical (based on fantasy). This could very well be the main point. Hatred against any minority group usually develops out of a misinterpretation of reality. If a Frenchman hates an Algerian because he pollutes French culture, or if a German hates a Turk because he is taking away his job, in both cases there is a misinterpretation of reality. There may indeed be unemployment in Germany, but it is not true that the Turks are to blame. The case of Judeophobia is different, because there is no such misinterpretation, but sheer fantasy. Jews can be hated for having eaten non-Jews in the past, or for dominating the world in the present; for having killed God or for being the source of war, slavery or evil, or for fabricating the Holocaust. How can you contend with these kinds of arguments?

Even if you find types of hatred that share one or two of these characteristics, you will not find one that has these seven characteristics together. Judeophobia is unique and as such it should be studied and confronted.

We have explained why this is an object deserving of study, and how it should be named. Now let us discuss when it started.
THEORIES ON THE BEGINNINGS OF JUDEOPHOBIA

We can postulate six theories about the beginnings of Judeophobia. Namely:

1) It started with the Jews, with the first Hebrews about four millennia ago.

2) It started with the Egyptian bondage, about three millennia ago.

3) It started with the Return to Zion, about two and a half millennia ago.

4) It started with Alexandrian Hellenism, about twenty-three centuries ago.

5) It started with Christianity, about two millennia ago.

6) It started with the reaction to Emancipation, about one century ago.

Our next step will be to refute 1), 2), 3) and 6) , and concentrate on 4) and 5) as the most plausible theories.

To say that Judeophobia started with Abraham is incorrect both historically and theoretically. Historically, because it is not true that Jews have suffered from persecutions for so long. There are several biblical verses that show a tinge of Judeophobia, but as with the Bible as a whole, it can provide us more with archetypes to facilitate understanding, than with historic data. For example Abimelech, the king of Gerar in the Negev, said unto Isaac “Go away from us; for thou art much mightier than we” (Genesis 26:16). This statement could be considered either as the first case of Judeophobia and thus traced to patriarchal times, or, more validly, as an archetype of Judeophobic arguments, especially since the Hebrew original could be rendered into English “Go away from us, for thou becameth powerful at our expense.”

To say that Judeophobia was the main motivation of the Egyptian Pharaoh, is also to take the Bible too literally. It is true that the Egyptian ruler states a second argument used frequently by Judeophobes, that Jews are a fifth-column in the countries where they reside. Thus says Pharaoh: “Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we; come on, let us deal wisely with them lest they multiply and that when there falleth out any war, they join unto our enemies and fight against us” (Exodus 1:9-10).

But on the other hand, it would be more acceptable historically not to attribute to the Egyptians any specific hatred against the Jews, rather a xenophobic attempt to enslave a whole people, a common practice in ancient times.

Having discarded hypotheses 1) and 2), let us explain number 3), namely that Judeophobia started during the Return to Zion. Here we have the most known Biblical archetype of Judeophobia, Haman. Indeed, many consider Judeophobia to have originated in the fifth century b.c.e. , during which king Xerxes I of Persia lived. Xerxes is thought to be the King Ahasuerus whose vizier Haman planned a genocide against the Jews, as reported in the book of Esther. Again, historical veracity of Haman’s story is not certain but his words became a chorus for Judeophobes of all times: “There is a certain people scattered through all the provinces... and their laws are diverse from all people, neither keep the king’s laws... Let it be written that they may be destroyed” (Esther 3:8).

Nonetheless, two events during this fifth century b.c.e. do seem to point the genesis of Judeophobia. One in the land of Israel (the attack against the rebuilders of Jerusalem) and one in the Diaspora (the destruction of the Temple of Elephantine in Egypt).

When Nehemiah led the Return to Zion from Babylon in the year 445 b.c.e., his attempt to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem met with the opposition of Sanballat I , called “an enemy” (Nehemiah 6:1,16).

At that time there was a Jewish community in Elephantine, a small island on the Egyptian Nile, where the Jews had erected a temple around 590 b.c.e. This temple was destroyed in 411 b.c.e. by the priests of Khnub with the help of the Persian commander Waidrang. But it was more a fanatic act done by Egyptians who resented Persian domination, than a Judeophobic outburst.

We can conclude that the Sanballat and Waidrang episodes were isolated and left no Judeophobic trace in history. Both attacks were the results of national tension between two groups, with no clear signs of particular Jew-hatred. Judeophobia had yet to be born.

This bring us to the three remaining theses, that is, 4), 5) and 6). The last one is put forward by Hannah Arendt in her book “The Origins of Totalitarianism” in which she claims that “anti-Semitism is a nineteenth century secular ideology,” “evidently” different from the religious hatred towards the Jews. This conclusion is simplistic. Of course Judeophobic political parties rose in Germany in the 1880’s, and that was the first time a regime used Judeophobia as a calculated means to gain power. However, the question is not when Judeophobia was first used as a political tool, but rather how did it first come into being so that it could be harnessed for political use. True, the nineteenth century brings a new form of Judeophobia, but the phenomenon is unique precisely in its adaptability to different historical contexts. This characteristic shows both its permanence and its singularity.

Vise o svemu na: http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/judeophobia.htm

Izrael je tehnoloski i naucno daleko ispred ostalih, i prema tome je logicno da se ugledamo na njih, a ne da ih mrzimo. Za Askenaze se cak prica i da su nesto inteligentniji od ostalih. Bas mi je nejasno. Kao da istorija krije nesto sto nikako ne uspevamo da vidimo.

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PorukaPostavljena: Sub Jul 29, 2006 3:01 pm    Naslov poruke: Na vrh strane Na dno strane

Za sve koji nisu znali, Arapi mrze Jevreje jer su oni inace nastali od dva polubrata. Imaju istog oca, razlicite majke. Ukratko o tome - Jevrejski kralj i kraljica nisu mogli da imaju dece i pitali su svoju sluskinju da im rodi dete, na cega je ona pristala. Medjutim kraljica je ostala u drugom stanju i rodila njihovog sina. Posto je on naravno bio princ, a ne sluskinjih sin, sluskinjin sin je od silne mrznje prema svom polubratu stvorio, odnosno poceo sa svim tim sto se vuce do dan danas. Znaci od njega i njegovih naslednika je potekla Islamska vera, pisan Kuran, i ostale knjige gde je najvaznije, mrzeti Jevreje. Eto to je kljuc njihove mrznje, sve ostalo dolazi kasnije. Da se razumemo, tada, drzava Izrael nije postojala uopste, ali su Jevreji UVEK bili na ovom tlu, gde je danas drzava, mnogoooooooo manje ih je bilo, znaci ovo je uvek bila Arapska zemlja, ali je Izrael dobio deo, jer su Jevreji ovde ziveli oduvek.

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